I predicted during SWRADIO-2008 interview, i sent letters predicting this situation, i have evidence documented vividly
when i explained the dangers awaitting Asylum Seekers as a whole.Good part was, i distinguished clearly in my documented archives between oppressed and oppressor.They was no reponse from SWRADIO studios on that claim as i put it to them.People who claimed asylum in Europe,North America are from Mashonaland,Manicaland provinces 95% of them.Also in those groups they are related either as families or distant relatives [homeboys]They had the upper hand to obtain travell documents, they had first hand contacts, unlike compared to other social groups mainly of Nguni origin[Ndebele, Kalanga]who were grossly directly affected as a result of political suppression from the Harare regime.Based on this clear empirical observation i submitted my writen statements to SWRADIO 2007/2008 in form of email content but detailed,also sent a proposal to so called Zimbabwe Foundation 2009 in London addressing these dangers lying ahead of us now.If you unravel raw truth you will face stiff resistance from those lavishing in public platform such as SWRADIO which enjoys a large following from Mashonaland/Manicaland regions.While on one hand they try to dress as inclusive to everyone.
I did mention to SWRADIO 2008 do not use NGUKURAWUDI issue to garner support to legitimise your pirate radio as if the authentic voice for oppressed.Where was SWRADIO 1980/82/83/84 when GUKURAWUDI exploded in Matebeleland.Where was the regime change agenda by then, we never sow influx of asylum seekers fleeing Matebeleland as a whole heading to shores of rich western countries.We only head of asylum seekers post GUKURAWUDI when the economy was shuttered through corruption, then people felt compelt to flew Zimbabwe's economic hardship in disguise as political refugees.Those radio presenters back in the days, were working for ZBC to preach hatred for ruling party in Zimbabwe such as those running Zimbabwean newspapers in North America and England as we all know them by names and markings of the devil.Now it is payback time, truth is harsh but that is how we have deal with pressing issues.

Lelo liqiniso, i have even observed emzansi mainly abantu from ebutshabini land find it easier to get their work permits processed thru the South african embassy in sozibeli, where as abakithi komthwakazi we get frastrated to the extent yokuthi abantu bacina besenza lamaphepha abanye abake baba bekhala ngawo emalangeni adlulileyo. Abetshabe will always make sure ukuthi bona they get ifirst preference in everything at the same time becindezela abantu besintwini. Mina angazi impela ngoba ukukhuluma lakho ngeke kusincede ngalutho.

well said, my suggestion is that we SHOULD have atleast local comunities were there is more of us. E.G in SA, now the police are out and about looking for ZIMBA bank robbers-(which is good) however, many innocents will be shot and killed for nothing. some of these folks will have none of their family to inquire who, why and how to report such matters to arrest the police.
this goes on to other areas such as UK, most Nguni fellaz had/have SA passport in which the SA is very swift to say he/she is SA yet the Harare guys some use Malawi passport in which Malawi does have a poor record in treating Zimbaz with such offence therefore the Ukgov is more linient towards.
If we atleast have small represantatives they could do some follow ups and produce somehow a fair and build CONFIDANCE to us all that we aint alone but many.
As far as i know in UK zimassociation there is one NGUNI lawyer...how effective and helpfull to all Ngunis with fair judgement i have no idea but i hope he is usefull beyond measure..

ZWELI SITHOLE is he not a lawyer [LLB]common law.This brother was humble to offer himself, he even provided contact details, what more do you expect him to do next.You people have to come foward to use his services.These are legal matters they deserve legal eagles[ZWELLI SITHOLE].Read my other post on UNITY-ORGANISATION TO BARGAIN AS A GROUP.

u r full of empty threats. The Ngunis are are faced with real threats. May be if u stopped coming across as childish you could help your people. As long as you dont change the way you think u remain wayward.

While you lambast,blast and vilify me time alone will tell my people.Call me what ever under the sun,every dog has its day.
What i am doing is called raising awareness.In my position immigration does not threaten me personal, but i am driven by passion of UBUNTU African holistic approach.I cannot help it, its in my nature to fight for black causes.I will be humble to tolerante people like you mfethu, in the midst of struggle , things can be tense.Doubts and mistrust brew up mostly to mainstream black African mind.But as a die hard LIFE member of BCM,Elder Bantu Biko left us with social skills to accommodate your likes.One day you will overstand, your fellow black African in struggle, i hope it will not be toooo late and costly, try to avoid if neccesary please.

food for thought

""ZWELI SITHOLE is he not a lawyer [LLB]common law.This brother was humble to offer himself, he even provided contact details, what more do you expect him to do next.You people have to come foward to use his services.These are legal matters they deserve legal eagles[ZWELLI SITHOLE].Read my other post on UNITY-ORGANISATION TO BARGAIN AS A GROUP."""

i have nothing against ZWELI Sithole, i said b4 he is a man with BALLS, he showed willingness and power to act, thou his motives were quetioned...

He was actually cleared.

Ngiyadan ukuthi after being away for so long i come back to this site and you are all still bickering and squabling njengabafazi besithenjini? In terms of asylum the truth is Ndebel (or nguni as u keep refering to)or Shona 99,9% of case r false and most of the people here are economic migrants. It is not the British gov's responsibility to stabilise Zim's economy. They will not continue to be hospitable to all and sundry bearing in mind that IT IS NOT ONLY SO CALLED NGUNIs seeking asylyum here.The bottom line is they will return people back to Byo,Gweru, baghdad,Kinshasa or where ever at some point.I just hope labo who have had the opportunity to work basebenzele ekhaya instead of ukutshona bekhala ngamaShona who are mindin their business and going to school. AmaNdebele asifuni kufunda even khonapha konaCharlie imfundo mahala kodwa sithanda mashift akulakusasa lokhu.Let us stop moaning ngamashona and acting as victims all the time its tiresome and have heard it for too long kuyadaka. What are you doing to better yourself khona pho okhona?Khone Goli bazakwemukelanjani wena ungabuyi lemeanigful contribution to the economy? Ufuna ukubuyela uyebangugarden boy lokugezisa imganu erestaurant/ Come bantu bakithi.Even ungayanga eskolo b4 ekhaya lapha kulabo access to this and that .Work at it and uzabalayo idegree yakho. When you get kicked out , which will happen eventually nxa ungala phepha( nuthing to do wit ur tribe)u can go back to Botswana, Angola, namibia,Sa nxa ungafuni amashona. But be warned they are everywhere.Hell even go to Auss, Canada ,New Zealand they have shortage of skilled labourers.

In order for this your mthwakazi idea to flourish bakithi can we all STOP playing the VICTIM trump card its worn out.!!!!We have all grown up and some of us have children what legacy will you leave urs? Un educated winger who blamed all and sundry without getting upp and doing jack for himself? No no tell them about ur past THEN be an example of how even under the most difficult of circumstances YOU MADE IT>U R A WINNER!!!!!!

NomaShona you are missing it big time. Even during Zimbabwe's prosperous years Ndebeles never had a fair-share of the country's economic cake and you seem to be not aware of the reality that economic opportunities in zimbabwe are solely politically determined

Ungathuki abantu Nomandebele. Abagezisimiganu labangogarden boy i surely do not think ukuthi bayakuthanda lokho abakwenzayo, wena uyabathethisa uthi yinto abayilandayo lapha egoli!!
Well, kungabonakala as if silevictim mentality blah blah, but vele singavictims. Ukuthi wena you have managed to make it in life yinhlanhla yakho kodwa the majority of abantu bakomthwakazi basemva ende siyazi ukuthi lokhu kwenzakala ngenxa yokuthi abantu bakithi bencindezelwe. Ungathethisi mfo loba ungudade angazi. Most of abantu engibaziyo mina lapha egoli they are really working hard, even naku education, ene abanye balawo lawo madegree okhuluma ngawo. Ekhaya kunzima ukuthi bawuthole umsebenzi, baza lana egoli basebenze loba erestuarant because they have to survive ndoda hayi ngoba kuyinto abayithandayo. Baza lana ilegal just because a mechanism has been put in place back home to make sure ukuthi ma umuntu evela komthwakazi kubenzima ukuthola ipermit, wena uyabathethisa abantu bezehlisa ngalolohlobo. Why uzothi abantu mababuyele ubotswana loba e Angola? Wena Noma, im pretty sure ukuthi ungomunye wabantu ababhekela phansi abanye abantu ngoba wena usuphumelele, ungambhekeli phansi umfowenu loba engugarden boy. Impilo inzima. It surely will take time for us to forget ucindezelo olwenziwa ngabetshabi, why? because they continuosly do so. Abantu bayazama mfo, that much i know but there are too many setbacks and those are things mthwakazians always want highlight. Asigcinwanga thina egoli njalo asidingikugcinwa, angazi khonangapho eUK kumbe abantu bagciniwe nguhulumeni. Indaba yetribe yabetshabe abasibambelayo ngeke iphele as long as besibambela, wena you can chose to ignore but one day you will come running ene futhi ngeke silibale ukuthi "sakutshela". Angilwi.

Tshela mina ngqwele - when were these so called prosperous years? How did this so-called prosperity manifest itself? What was the driving force behind this prosperity?


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Lingakhohlwa ukuthi kulabo Nomazulu abazalwa ngamashona, abathethwe ngamashona kumbe abagijimisa amagimba nxa sebelamasenti sebezibona engathi balamasende.

Egoli kuyaphandwa, emazwezi kuyasetshezwa lokhu asobuthutha but yingqondo. Don't tell me about this amanguni, mandebele thing yokudinga iFund, SinguMthwakazi njalo sazi kuhle ukuthi thina esingathathanga amashona kumbe esingekho kuZANU le MDC, sincindezelwe koMgodoyi. Amakhiwa lamazwe abo bakwazi ukuthi singama Victims vele.
Ngitshela ukuthi bangaki abacela uncedo kusalamu abangumThwakazi abangalutholanga usizo? Unless otherwise nxa bethi banguMthwakazi bangamaVictim yet balandela inhlanganiso zamashona lami ngingakuncitsha usalamu ngoba uyabe uyinja yomuntu elandela umncindezeli.

Wena Nomandebele, akula victim mentality la! we are dealing with victims of long term psychological impairements adalwa yizinja zamashona.

""Wena Nomandebele, akula victim mentality la! we are dealing with victims of long term psychological impairements .... ""mlilovuthayo[/quote]

indeed true...Mliloz...Nomandebele you r very rite and extremely wrong....
It is very crucial for those in positions of command to be very careful with their wording,rubbishing and belittling pipos feelings is and was never a solution.
It is not Ndebele pipo`s problem for them to be in any country and seek asylum. Y speak for that gvt? y turn against your own?WOZA members are arrested and beaten as we type NOW, so why send a wrong signal?
Those feelings of anger towards TShona are not self-made but genuine felt by many, which needs a real solution with a genuine intent to somehow help.
It is a Nguni duty to support and give advice to those who need help regardless of qualifications one might have. NomaNdebele white lands are being fought/defended by all white countries, are you saying that is a pure genuine cause? no!!! but of interests of that country, therefore its fantabulous of us to learn to support each other without ONLY looking faults!! its our interest bcoz money sent by those in foreign lands help a lot here, home.(no hard feelings-cheeers!!)

Nomandebele
Dont be rude to the people abakwenzelanga lutho olubi mntwanoyinkazana.

**** Just out of curiosity help me understand ukuthi amatshona how they affect the Asylum Process to the Ndebele people ***

The Asylum is a personal process and the truth is most of us if we left ngoba of um'ekhonomi - ukuthi sithi ngamatshona who affect our asylum is far fetched reasoning- however the Political reasons are another aspect of discussion.

Politically we should have left the country long time ago because akulalutho olwatshintshayo ngombangazwe ekhaya.

Unfortunately everytime I also read about the difficulties we face as a people is because we are Ndebele - come on people abanye bethu have managed to work hard and turn the page around in regards to their fortunes as compared if they were home -

So when do we start having initiatives that enable and empower our people - and ensure a better history - and stop this whinning - no disrespect to our people and history but its about time we move on -

Whats the definition of MAD ?? doing the same thing again and again expecting different results

if you asking me ZWIDE ...i personally.... i dont have a finger to blame shona this shona that ...all im interested in is us defending our regional pipo regardless who there are......

wow Zwide waze wakhuluma mfondini........lets do it NORMAL pipo ,including here, do want to do something but lack of commitment and poor understanding is affecting the fowardnes, for example u DUMA promised to cater a place ......then he disapeared like wind, i dont know whom he expecting to contact him if he doest make himself more and more available....

You sum it up well,AmaNdebele have had a victim mentality because we are Victims,always have been Victims and now that we realise our situation all we are doing is highlight our plight at the momement .Wena nxa ungu Zwide woqobo and you still do not understand why amaShona have a direct and or indirect impact on the decisions ze asylum process policy eqondene lamaNdebele ah! mfowethu you are living in your own cushioned little world.

True some people are here for economic reasons,what you are most probably failing to understand is the politics behind the economy.If the Shona people were in 99% admission at the only University in Zimbabwe which is situated in their city Harare and 100 % administered by ama Shona how else do you envisage that Mthwakazi people would have helped their economic situation bengafundanga to the level yamaShona lawo ? Even in cases where a Shona has been equivalent in educational or professional standards to a Mthwakazian it was common practice to hire Shonas in the place of AmaNdebele ,take the case of civil servants!

Without digressing,currently in the UK the asylum process is run on country status policy.Ayisiwo yini amaShona la alokhe ethi ayalungisa kodwa singaboni lutho olulungayo nge government yabo le eye "national" unity.The New Asylum Model that is applicable to all asylum applications as in 2005 states that only those that need protection are to be recognised as refugees and how can the need for protection be realised when amaShona e MDC M or T decide that the country has stabilised there is no need for any country to harbour their supporters !AmaNdebele are very vulnerable because the Home Office is not making a difference as to who should be protected and who should be sent to their country Harare yesterday.Also you find abantu abathi bangasutha isitshwala bakholwe ukuthi uMthwakazi is a cry baby what load of rubbish !While this asylum process is on merit and case to case being treated individually and independent of each other ,the aspect of rhetoric creeps into the technocrat's operations and changes policy much more to the detriment of the deserving person.Mind you abanye khonapha balama 10 years without papers and how do you expect that person to develop engazi what tomorrow has in store ?Abanye abantu have been sold out by their political parties ,particulary the MDC which has been very instrumental in urging the UK to consider sending people home and at the same time uthole besiyafakazela ama members abo kuma asylum claims abo,what is this ?double standards ?confusion ?political gymnastics ?

This is not even the time to think of developmental initiatives ,unless if you still believe in territorial politics of nationalism of which time is past gone.Also even if we get Mthwakazi going njenge Sizwe,we can never build our country ngama penny hepenny lawa elikhuluma ngawo,madoda sikhuluma ngeSizwe lapha hatshi i social club.When we get down to issues we will have strategic plans in place and lawa ama $10 elizawakhipha ake likhuze uvalo azasebenza isikhathi siyeza.Ukujaha asikufika,plan,have strategies before you start talking about empowering abantu because right now if anyone is to empower me ,my first project ,yikuphuma elizweni le Harare ngoba nginguMthwakazi.I am not MAD but I will continue preaching lelivangeli elidala again and again and all the time I will expect that the different result will be sifting uMthwakazi from mgabe land.

Uyabona mfowethu this is my take on this- I understand the issues we encountered back in the history and how they affected the economy - and therefore the result of where we are now.

My point now comes to the fact where all of us have moved here and started afresh and we can make it happen - be it ufundile or awufundanga -I know of guys who have gone to school and made something of themselves - I am one of those that have been here for years and I dont have amaphepha - It has not stopped me in the initiatives that I can DO - I cant go to school here - but I can do courses thruh UNISA online if I can afford it - If I cant afford it then I will be be content with the few pennies I have, donate where I can - I know shonas who are struggling big time as well as the Ndebeles - but what pains me is that added to the pressures of being overseas - struggling with your daily pains - being black - african - in a white men's world - you add another heavy burden of constant whinning about Shonas -and its tiring to meet amandetshu that are always complaining about amatshona everytime -

Its just like black American that think they cant progress because they are black in American - I mean please - we have MPs in Zimbabwe who are Ndebeles there is progress there and dont go saying we deserve more or its not enough- or we should be running the country - I know I know but Look at the current situation and plan with what you have - not dreams and wishes -

Most of amandetshu see South Africa as their home - but forget to mention the tribalism in South africa and everywhere in Africa its something we have to live with - and unfotunately the law of numbers come into play -

I will be able to donate my HOUSE as a venue for all the meetings and forums but not for the whinning and complaining how amashona have done this and that cause that will not help with the progress of our people :

We need to start small - donations to schools for books -uniforms- balls - maybe fund drilling for Boreholes - small projects and make our people self sufficient -

Ngumutsho wesitshabi phela lo!

And.....?

Uyaphila mfowethu,caca angikuzwa.ngiyabonga

we have been down this path before, it was explained to you and i remember you were refusing that zimbabwe ever had an economic growth, but at the you agreed. So stop playing silly games.